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Requested move 21 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 57 15:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Carter (actor/comedian) → Jeremy Carter – Only one with an article, this was moved far too prematurely. (and if you decide to DAB, it should at least be changed to something that isn't (actor/comedian)) Nohomersryan (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Given that Jimmy Carter's grandson doesn't have his own separate article in the first place, isn't the disambiguation at the top of the page enough? Afryer (talk) 01:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, but move to Jeremy Carter (actor) since the actor, honestly, is borderline notable as to deserving an article in the first place, provided User:Rehsjntdz is happy to fix the broken links, if not then put it back. But if so then keep the dab there's a third Jeremy Carter, a moderately well known pianist (now linked on dab), mentioned in the Malcolm Lipkin composer article for commissioning a piano work. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Whether the actor is sufficiently notable to have an article is an issue for AfD, if you're serious about that. In RM discussions we assume sufficient notability - it's not a consideration for title determination except for primary topic determination when there are multiple uses on WP with articles. That's not the case here, so the notability issue (however borderline) is totally irrelevant to us here in terms of relevant policy/guideline based considerations. If I were closing this discussion, I would discount this !vote accordingly. If we had articles about the grandson or pianist, then there would be something to consider. --В²C ☎ 00:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Born2cycle: WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says that A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. According to the pageviews, the dab page received 5800 hits in December, and the actor's article (created in September) meager 290, all of them in the period of Dec 21–29 (virtually no hits in Oct and Nov). That indicates that most readers actually came for the President's grandson, not for the actor (and those 290 were likely due to sheer curiosity of readers who saw the dab page). Imperfection in our coverage should not affect the status of primary topic. Borderline cases like this one are best treated with a degree of common sense (which is admittedly a matter of debate). No such user (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Finally, an argument supporting disambiguation of this title that deserves a moment of consideration. I hate to invoke WP:RECENT because it's so abused, but when you're talking about such a sharp and recent blip, that's exactly where it applies. In six months if there is still anywhere near the current traffic for the grandson, then this might be an argument in support of disambiguating this article's title that deserves more than a moment of consideration. --В²C ☎ 04:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment WP:SLASH/WP:SUBPAGE at any rate the current name is wrong, and cannot be used and must be moved. There is no reason for a slash to appear in a disambiguator. Jeremy Carter (actor-comedian), Jeremy Carter (actor), Jeremy Carter (comedian) all would work -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Jeremy Carter (actor) per In ictu oculi. I also researched a bit, and the pianist is about equally notable as the comedian (auto-)biography, (and both are on the low side of it). The death of Jimmy Carter's grandson is all over the news, but he's not notable otherwise (but certainly deserves a mention on the dab page). The dab page saw a surge of 5800 pageviews in last couple of days [1], and that's obviously due to his death. No such user (talk) 12:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is the primary topic of the name and the only one covered to any real degree by Wikipedia. The disambiguator isn't really kosher.--Cúchullain t/c 14:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Since this is the only use of the name on WP with an article there should be no disambiguation in the title. --В²C ☎ 23:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, actually there is only one notable Jeremy Carter. Moving it to Jeremy Carter (actor) to disambuigate him from a redlink makes little sense, especially as redlink's notability is just based on unsubstantiated WP:LOTSOFSOURCES claims. Cavarrone 07:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support above, plus the page hits/views cannot be really reliable since both of these articles were just created very, very recently. Plus when you add in the recentism of his death, it really throws all of the WP stats out the window. Since there is really only one true article, and with no promise of an article for Carter's grandson, the DAB makes little sense. The HATNOTE is sufficient. There isn't enough support to endorse a PRIMARYREDIRECT to Jimmy Carter for his grandson. Tiggerjay (talk) 09:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – the ex-president's grandson is at least as notable; no primarytopic here. Dicklyon (talk) 03:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Disambiguation is used when "more than one subject [is] covered by Wikipedia". The other Jeremy Carters are not actually covered by Wikipedia, hence no disambiguation is required. A hatnote at the most is necessary. Jenks24 (talk) 11:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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